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Mar. 29th, 2012


Busta Brown Anthrocentricity is foolish, ignorant, and detrimental to all species, ESPECIALLY humans.
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Lauren Larios YES!!!!!
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Beau Black Do you mean anthropocentricity?
What are you saying exactly?
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Lauren Larios He's saying that humans think they are so smart when in reality they are still part of nature and by separating themselves from it and not caring about it they throw ecosystems out of balance and they are harming the earth and themselves.
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Busta Brown Yes, sorry, anthropocentricity. See what happens when you stop going to school?!
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Beau Black haha... I wouldn't worry about it! I can't say that I've even heard the technical term for that way of thinking...
Anyways, I agree with that, Lauren. But it's not implying that humans and animals are "on the same level" rationally right? I just think it's odd to say anthropocentricity is foolish and ignorant when those are qualities only attributable to humans in the first place... as if animals are not thinking primarily of their own survival...
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Lauren Larios Well, animals think and act like animals, and humans think and act like humans, but that doesn't make us "special" in any way. We have big brains, opposable thumbs, and technology....so? I think it's incredibly intelligent of the natural world to be able to balance itself out and continue on. Every single species in the wild has its own niche, and populations fluctuate based on other populations.
We don't know whether man is nature's fluke or if there are millions of other planets with beings similar to us. I heard a saying once "man is the only animal smart enough to predict his demise, yet dumb enough to not do anything about it."
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Beau Black So you don't think that there are any noteworthy differences?
How about morality? As in a sense of what ought to be and what ought not to be?
Is that not a huge difference?

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Lauren Larios Nope, animals have displayed morality and self-recognition.
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Lauren Larios This is not exclusive to primates or even species known to be highly intelligent- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8mzz8xt6AU
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Lauren Larios One could even argue that animals have better values than humans because MOST carnivorous species do not kill needlessly, they have to eat. I say most because some cats don't eat what they kill. They war over territory, yet so do humans.
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Beau Black I guess I'm curious as to how you would define morality... Do you think that hippo thought, "Based on my principles, I believe the behavior of this crocodile is wrong, therefore I am going to intervene and save the impala"?
Or do you think incidents like these could be explained by animal instincts?
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Lauren Larios Well certainly I doubt the hippo was an English-speaking intellectual...but yes, I know that animals feel emotions not entirely based on instinct. I see that hippo feeling sympathy for the impala, understanding that it was suffering and that the hippo had the ability to try and do something about it.
Another example: last night I rode my horse and he acted like a total jerk. I was angry with him and when I tied him in the barn aisle, he sulked. Why would his instinct dictate that he should sulk? I didn't hurt him and his life wasn't in any danger. He knew that he did wrong by me and felt remorse for it.
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Lauren Larios I would like to add that that is not to say that animals feel human emotions. Horses feel horse emotions and think like horses, dogs have dog emotions and think like dogs, etc.
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Beau Black ‎"Well certainly I doubt the hippo was an English-speaking intellectual" haha

I agree that animals feel emotions. No doubt. I'm just not so sure they have morality.
Because there is definitely a difference. I wouldn't go so far to say that your horse knew that he did something morally wrong.

Emotions are defined as:
1. A natural instinctive state of mind deriving from one's circumstances, mood, or relationships with others.
2. Any of the particular feelings that characterize such a state of mind, such as joy, anger, love, hate, horror, etc.

Your horse definitely knew you were angry with him. Sulking would be a natural reaction of an animal realizing that it is the cause of a caretaker's anger. Whether or not your horse knew that being a jerk (whatever that is in horse terms) is wrong is a different argument entirely.
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Lauren Larios Yes, but if you define morality as:
Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
Behavior as it is affected by the observation of these principles.

My point still stands. I can argue that the basis of animal morality is the understanding of cause and effect. In the hippo's case, the effect perhaps being the hippo simply felt good about himself (we can't know), but even by nature's standards (living=good, dying=bad) the hippo's actions were good because he tried to help the injured impala so it could live.
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Beau Black Perhaps... but that seems like a bit of a stretch...
Who/what is nature? And how does it have standards? If there is even an argument that could clarify that, wouldn't it be that nature tends to naturally gravitate towards a balance of things? Like you said above: "I think it's incredibly intelligent of the natural world to be able to balance itself out and continue on." In its quest of balance (if nature can even take such a course without divine intervention), how would it account for life = good and death = bad if it is indifferent and only seeks balance?
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Lauren Larios In my first comment, I'm referring to "nature" as ecosystems and the life processes within them. Nature as pertaining to individual living creatures, however, is different. It is natural for an animal to want to live and propagate its species; yet still, nature as the biosphere cannot allow that in every instance. So in a sense, yes, nature conflicts with itself, but that's just how it is...

In the hippo's case, I could argue that it understands what species are predators and what species are prey like the hippo himself. Perhaps he metaphorically thinks "we are all in this together, avoiding predators." Can you imagine if animals didn't care whether they or another living being lived or died? Think of how many species would go extinct then.
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Feb. 14th, 2012

Best comment under an article I've read in a long time-
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I dreamed that I was stuck in this building where lost things in time and space are discarded. At first, it was a swimming pool/hot springs where I had the ability to change the way it was laid out and looked in the sort of way you can change a browser skin or a desktop background. Then, strange things started to appear in the deep end of the pool. At first, it was remnants of things made out of plywood and painted brightly, like a train or a small house. Then, things started to appear that weren't so harmless....

Robots began to take the building under siege and I was running around with my family and a woman who wanted to find the perfect fur coat. The woman was our survival guide, but my brother also knew his way around surviving the robot invasion. At some time or another, we were met with a retired army officer. An old man appeared to give the officer a letter, and we couldn't escape him, even though he was only shuffling along. We ended up descending 26 floors to the dark bottom floor. He then disappeared in to thin air right above us on the 2nd floor staircase. Apparently since the first floor was the closest floor to reality, these absurd things simply vanished. However, the doors were locked and nothing existed outside of them, so there was no escaping this building except by something that could transport you through dimensions.

The very last thing I saw in this dream was most disturbing, yet harmless. A family of four walked side by side, perfectly in sync, with big grins on their faces. That wasn't the most disturbing part, the most disturbing part was the manner in which they walked. They walked as if influenced by a pendulum, and their hands and feet almost changed shape. Their hands were all flat, in a row out in front of them, and as they ambled, their hands went side to side, but still flat. The same went for their feet, in a way. Our guide explained it like this "What do you use when one foot is on the ground? The answer is the other foot, of course. Well, these people use their whole bodies." The family wandered out of sight again.

Then I woke up.
On Saturday night, I went to a ballroom dance with some friends from the ranch where I keep my horse. I was with Connie, the ranch owner, and Lance, her ranch hand. It was a blast. At around 10:15, we decided we'd had enough and we should get home and get to bed because we had to feed horses in the morning. Lance left in his truck and I went with Connie to WalMart.

After we checked out and went back to her truck, she got a call on her cell phone, it was Lance. She answered it but nobody spoke on the other line, so thinking it was a butt dial, she hung up. Now here's the spooky part, he called right back. She answered again, and this time she heard other people speaking in the background, so she shouted "Hellooo! HELLOOOO!" and she heard them saying "Can you feel your fingers?" She was like oh, he must have gotten pulled over, but I didn't think he was drinking...he doesn't drink." She hung up a second time, and once more, Lance called her. This time she listened longer, and she heard "it's okay buddy, we're gonna get you out of here and into the ambulance." Then she panicked, handed the phone to me so I could keep listening, and we sped out of there and drove the road back to the ranch until we found the scene of the accident.

The first thing I saw was a red suburban with its front end completely smashed, the engine was gone right up to the windshield. Lance's truck was in the ditch, right-side up, surrounded by cop cars, ambulance, and a fire truck. I sat in the truck while Connie went and talked to the police officers and so she could also get her gate and house key out of his truck. We then headed to the hospital. We spent 3 hours in the waiting room waiting to hear whether he was dead or alive, and while we were waiting, a chaplain came out to talk to us. That freaked Connie out because she thought he was going to give last rights or something. He said "we all get a page when there's a trauma in an accident so we can talk to the families of the victims." She goes "do you know what his status is?" He said no and she goes "so why are you here?" He shut up for the rest of the time we were there.

When they finally let us in to see him, he was on a backboard wearing a neck brace and he had a huge gash on his scalp, but he was conscious, talking, and wiggling his toes....We watched as they pulled glass out of the gash on his head, stapled and stitched him up. We left about 1am and got home around 1:30am. Lance was released in the mid-afternoon on Sunday (yesterday). He is still very sore and sick from the pain and medication, but he is so very alive and so very not paralyzed or brain damaged. He got a concussion, whiplash, and many cuts and bruises but no broken bones.

The suburban ran a stop sign and t-boned him, both he and they were going 40-50mph. His truck spun a 180 and flipped a few times. The other people were drunk and high, and the driver is now in jail on felony charges.

What just gets me is that his phone called her 3x, the first time was him on purpose, but the second two...I just don't know, it's so weird. If it hadn't, we'd have driven right past the wreck and gone to the ranch and we would have wondered where he was. We're both still in shock by it, it feels like a bad dream.
and they didn't chance culturally, they were few and far between in europe while humans were still in africa developing culture and changing
yes, so if it "can't be proven" what's the point of evidence in the first place?
should we just throw it all away?

or Iraq depending on your point of view

and go back to the bible that says everything magically appeared because an invisible deity was bored one day?
no, neanderthals were in europe
you've got to be fucking kidding me

Adam was in Iraq

Mesopotamia

again with the dispespect

fuck
shit
damn
ass

lol

so where's the evidence of adam?
the babble! cuz tha babble says it's true!
so it must be true!

there is evidence of the city of Babel
and the city ofJericho

the bible
yes, so?
there's also evidence of Athens, does that mean Zeus is real and the Greek creation myth is true?

could have been

I mean psh, the city is named after a goddess, so it's got to be true!
those epic stories,they must be true because people back then didn't have imaginations to make up stories....

what they found in the city of Jericho was that a tower facing the Jordan river had remained standing and the walls had collapse just as the bible described it

sooo...with things that there's evidence of...they're not true because we weren't there...but we should believe the writings they left behind?

Never said they werent true
said they werent proven

but if they are true then evidence of human prehistory disproves any creation myth

not really

so when Cain was cast out of the garden, he went to live with other people
where the hell did those people come from???

The bible does not say how long the garden of eden exsisted between the creation and the fall
it could have been billions of years
Adam could have been the first created, not the only one

so why doesn't it say so? are we expected to take it as truth or metaphor?

God may have created others as well

why aren't all men missing a rib, if eve was punished for her sin?
may have...where's the evidence?

no evedence just a theory

based on...?
your imagination?

no
science
the theory of evolution and the bible need not be exclusive

so your scientific theory is that other people were created by magic because it's impossible that they could have evolved from different life forms....
it just magically appeared, that makes total sense...

actually it does

in either case there's life from non-life
one is natural and one is supernatural

if you take the view that God is all powerful and the universe was created by an intelligent supernatural being

why would I take that view if the natural world is just as magnificent?

I didnt mean you specifically
I meant from that point of view

why should anyone have to though?
except for the purpose of man-made religion?

they dont have too. Its a personal choice

I believe in nature, I'm more pagan than anything
the cosmos doesn't have to be supernatural to be amazing

I belive that you are fearfully and wonderfully made by a loving creator who loves you as I do. And that you are beautiful, intelligent and wonderful woman.

don't butter me up

its the truth
I can still disagree with your philophy and love you as your father

I believe there was once a sperm and an egg that met and formed a zygote which formed into a fetus

philosophy

cell reproduction biology, pretty cool stuff

anohoo gotsa go
luvs ya

ok ttyl

May. 5th, 2010

I had a dream that I was hanging out with big Dan and we were going to see a movie at the Procrastinator theater (MSU's little movie theater). Some friends of his were also there and they were being obnoxious. I got up to go to the bathroom and came back and one of the girls had taken my seat, so I sat in the row right in front of them.  After a while, they all got up to leave and the girl who took my seat said "oh Lauren, a bit of advice-chew gum with your mouth closed." So I said "What? I do!"

After that I found myself at a Japanese train station, then I went with 3 other people who I didn't know to an old house in the American west.  I guess we were a bunch of researchers on a mission to find out about other dimensions.  Then, from a 3rd person point of view, an old man with a white beard peeked through an open window of the cabin, then he morphed into a younger man, then to a woman, and then to another woman with medium straight brown hair.  She welcomed us and asked what we were there for.  We explained to her and she invited us inside.  Once inside, she took us to the back room where there was a strange machine, it somewhat resembled one of those old-fashioned devices used to wring the water out of clothes, except it was sloped.  She took a bunch of small eyeballs in her hand and handed one to each of us, then she put one of them in her own eye socket, pushing her real eye back, then put her face up to the two rollers tha grabbed onto the eye and it disappeared.  She instructed us to do the same, except I was too scared to.

Because I refused to do it, suddenly the world outside of the house turned into a jumbled mess of shapes, objects and colours. It was as if a very violent tornado made of rainbows was going on outside. We were all terrified, so I agreed to give it a go. My eyeball was dirty by this point, so I cleaned off the fuzzies and stuck it in my eye socket to launch it into the strange machine. Then suddenly my sight changed. I was floating disembodies through a desolate, yet beautiful landscape. There were what I can only describe as elven-style buildings scattered about among a brown, rocky terrain. Then I saw a man on horseback running around, he seemed very angry about something...

That's all I can remember of my dream, sadly. :(

HILARIOUS!


Jannea Knight says life is weird sometimes but rely and trust on God and he will show you what to do or give you what u need to get through it all.

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Monique Ratzlaff
Monique Ratzlaff
Proverbs 3:5-6 :)
10 hours ago
Lauren Larios
Lauren Larios
Ezekiel 23:19-20 ;)
10 hours ago ·
Jannea Knight
Jannea Knight
What's ur point Lauren?
10 hours ago
Rebekah Hall
Rebekah Hall
Ahh, so you think.
10 hours ago
Lauren Larios
Lauren Larios
It's funny. :D
10 hours ago ·
Jannea Knight
Jannea Knight
not really.......
10 hours ago
Lauren Larios
Lauren Larios
Hilarious actually.
10 hours ago ·
Jannea Knight
Jannea Knight
well it's good to know you still read the Bible for something
 
10 hours ago
Lauren Larios
Lauren Larios
Actually I don't, too much violence and hatred for my taste.
10 hours ago ·
Jannea Knight
Jannea Knight
Actually what I see there is a lot of love and grace
 
10 hours ago
Jannea Knight
Jannea Knight
and forgiveness!!!
10 hours ago
Jannea Knight
Jannea Knight
and hope
10 hours ago
Lauren Larios
Lauren Larios
Why would I need to read the bible for that? I'm smart enough to have those traits on my own.
10 hours ago ·
Jannea Knight
Jannea Knight
ummm....... nobody gets that on their own.
10 hours ago
Lauren Larios
Lauren Larios
Then please explain to me how non judeo-christian cultures get along peacefully? I live in Japan where nobody is religious besides visiting Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples on holidays and they get along way better than most Americans I've seen!
10 hours ago ·
Jannea Knight
Jannea Knight
Most Americans are not Christian. Just becuz people can get along with each other, doesn't mean they don't need God.
10 hours ago
Jannea Knight
Jannea Knight
I'm praying for you to sense God's love and forgiveness, and to understand your need for God.
10 hours ago
Lauren Larios
Lauren Larios
HA! That's pretty funny you say that, considering polls I've seen say that about 83% of americans consider themselves Christian. I think you missed my point entirely.
10 hours ago ·
Dale Strickland
Dale Strickland
indeed, just as you say Japan is not religiuos except visisting a shinto shrine of budhist temple on holidays, for the most part, americans only go to church on holidays, most not even then
9 hours ago
Britney Jenkin
Britney Jenkin
well there is a lot of violence and hatred in the bible that is true, but out of that viloence and hatred comes forgiveness and love. So technically both Jannea ad Lauren were right. they are both just looking at it from different perspectives. Jannea is looking at it from a prospective that the world needs God and Lauren from the view that the ... See Moreworld is getting on fine without Him. And having different views doesn't make either of them ignorant or sad. It is their belief and they have a right to that belief. It is under debate of whether or not we are still a Christian nation, but we are without a shadow of a doubt still a free one and that gives everyone the right to believe what they want with out being called ignorant or being made fun of.
9 hours ago
Lauren Larios
Lauren Larios
Thank you, Britney, well said. :)
9 hours ago ·
Karen Riehle Knight
Karen Riehle Knight
Lauren did something happen in the past that turned you against Christianity I believe your parents were Christians if I remember correctly. Not saying that just because your parents were christian makes you one too but I am curious as to what happened
8 hours ago
Lauren Larios
Lauren Larios
I expanded my horizons, to put it simply.
8 hours ago ·
Jessi Lynn
Jessi Lynn
Jannea, I couldn't agree more with your original statement. It's great that you have such a faith that gives you that kind of confidence and conviction. We all have things that challenge us in life so keeping a perspective like yours is awesome! Like Britney said, you have a right to believe what you do so just keep on doing that :-)
8 hours ago
Laura Sporleder
Laura Sporleder
Jannea: praying for you. Stay steady and focused on Jesus. :) You're doing great!

Lauren: You have free will to believe whatever you choose but do not be one-sided in your beliefs about people or religions. If you want to express and give the impression that you are more wise than others then part of that "wisdom" and "maturity" is to acknowledge the right of choice of others, not to bash what they believe simply because you choose not to: that makes it a personal attack, one that has not happened to you in this thread by anyone.

Educate yourself about the things in which you have chosen to "expand your horizons" about, but do it in the mature way you want to be perceived in: you have to look at ALL of it, not just what you want to: to include the purposes behind the "violence" in the Bible. It was not random violence, study the history involved and the intent of the events involved from a purely historical viewpoint if nothing else.

Jannea has every right to believe what she does and from what I have seen from your comments, you have not acknowledged that right even though she has acknowledged your right to believe whatever you choose. You want to be perceived as a mature person,then act like one.

I'll be praying for you as well, Lauren.
about an hour ago
Teresa Mullins
Teresa Mullins
Lauren, I would love to talk to you. You seem pretty intelligent. You should do a little research in to the logical reasons to believe in God and Jesus as the Messiah. Put aside all your deep thoughts about other stuff and allow for just the possibility that only Jesus makes sense as "The Truth". It really does make a lot of sense. It's NOT narrow-minded to believe something specific is the truth. It just shows that you've researched and done your homework and come to a particular conclusion. I've done this, and really, nothing else stands up to the scrutiny that Jesus does. You can be an intellectual and a Christian at the same time. ( : Good luck. P.S. Josh McDowell is a very interesting author.....
about an hour ago
Lauren Larios
Lauren Larios
I missed the part where I bashed anyone or their beliefs. And actually yes, I was personally attacked earlier, but that person deleted their posts and we made peace.

I think it is healthy for everyone, myself included, to have their beliefs questioned once in a while. When I question other beliefs, what I'm really trying to do is offer them and myself a chance at personal reflection. I myself am still not sure exactly what I believe, so I question everything and everyone. That's all I was doing.
Oh funny....

Even though I'm not into the whole heaven/hell god/satan thing, I found this song inspiring
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Dear friends from the "old days." You know who you are. When you add me to your friends list, please do not deliberately skirt around me thereafter as if I'm the plague. I can see what you're doing, when you comment on other "old" friends' profiles asking how they're doing when you add them, but not mine. Why don't you reply to me when I post on your profile, but reply to other people? Are you afraid of me or something? If you look down on me for my appearance, lifestyle, tastes, or beliefs, then by all means, please delete me. I have no interest in associating with people who think low of me, no matter how long you've known me, nor do I care about how many friends I have. If that's not the case and you are just afraid of me because I've changed a lot, I would like to tell you now that I am, in fact, a very nice person. Don't be afraid to talk to me, because I have friends from all walks of life, and I am accepting of different points of view. I'm not angry, I just want to know what's going on.

I was given a good education at the old private school, and taught by my parents to be respectful. Since I worked hard to get good grades when I was young, I would like to ask you to do something for me now. Please take out your dictionary, and look up the definition of the word "tact."

Thank you,
Lauren